No-Jive question.

[Brett 'The Brett' Hitchell]

I just bought my first Tom Kuhn 3 in 1 No-Jive about a week ago, And let me tell you it's my favorite throw at the moment (Followed by my new Stealth 888).
But I just have one question about it. It seems to be unscrewing it's self every once in a while, Now this doesn't bother me that much (Seeing as it usually doesn't do it that often, But tonight it did it three times of 5 throws.... So my question is. Is there a way to keep this from happening?
if no, it's not that big of a deal.

Additional info, There is a small rubber O-ring in one side to shim it... Could that be causing the periodical loosening?... Is that even the correct word?

Thanks for the help

-Brett 

[Douglas Brown]

This happens to me when I haven't screwed it tight enough. I usually find the o-ring helps tightening because it allows a greater range between "not tight" and "as tight as it will go."

[Mikers]

Who did you get the No-Jive from? It may be my old one... I had an o-ring from a G&E2 in mine because if I had it at a playable gap it would unscrew too easily and really turning it hard with the o-ring in it gave me the perfect gap, while cranking it without the o-ring gave me such a small gap I was about to crush the axle and the gap was so small it wouldn't even sleep.

[Brett 'The Brett' Hitchell]

I got it from Stephen_Cam on YYE, But I put a new O-ring in it when I got it because Douglas brown gave me some pointers on No-Jives when we hung out. I just realized that when it unscrews it's self a lot is when it hits my hand (I'm working on the Bird in Hand stall) so I'll just try tightening it more.
Thanks for the help guys

[Mikers]

Yeah, that was mine. It would open a little bit when it hit my hand, but I think most do. Just give it a little twist every few throws and you should be fine.

[ed]

i get that on some no jives. i think it's just the axle/threading. fixable with lock-tite (not permanent).

i also advocate paper/cardstock shims instead of o-rings lately. the latter has given me kickback issues and has tended to loop weird. some no jives have really deep wells though and need something that big to play well.

[Brett 'The Brett' Hitchell]

Hmmm, I think I'll try paper shims. Does anyone know where I can get them or how to make them?
I'm not sure if I'll try lock-tite though, I don't really trust myself with doing stuff like that to my yo-yo's 

and to Mikers , What are the chances of that  (Me getting your No-Jive I mean)

[Mikers]

I'm guessing pretty good. Hundreds of my old yoyos are in circulation. Haha.

[attybud]

Shims?  O rings?  Does this mean the No-Jive can be an unresponsive throw?  I always had the impression it was sort of a looper. 

Bud

[Douglas Brown]

Oh, man, a No-Jive will very easily go unresponsive. Because I only have one solid one, I have to be able to turn it butterfly and imperial, and so I don't use any sort of sticker-response. With the o-ring, when  I put on a new Type 8, it is pretty easy to hit Brent Stole, even in imperial. If you use beeswax on your string (and when I do, I use a lot), you can get it to multi-second-fingergrind unresponsive.

[Mikers]

Fixed-axle play really isn't my thing... I tried for a long time, but I'd rather play a Renegade all day. But when I did play I wouldn't even think about having it unresponsive, lol. I always played mine with two dead Duncan stickers, no wax.

Attybud, the shims aren't to make it unresponsive, just to keep the gap at a nice, playable width.

[ed]

Attybud, the shims aren't to make it unresponsive, just to keep the gap at a nice, playable width.

absolutely. shimming is to adjust the gap, but if your tricks don't (or can't) end with a satisfying whack after a fly-away dismount, to MY mind, you're doing it wrong.
do whatcha like, but the idea of trying to 'make' a no jive unresponsive makes me want to barf. some people do this (and i'm not too proud to admit that i've even tried it), and it feels against-the-thing's-purpose; obscene, like using a muramasa nihonto to butcher steaks.

unlike 'aluminum yo-yo x', there's a lot of variation between no jives (even of the same year), and you have to be able to shim one that has a wacky small gap (or sand down axles for one that has a ginormous one). everybody's got their sweet spot and benchmark; i want my no jives to handle spirit bomb and shoot the moon on successive throws. to me one of the coolest aspects of them is their ability to homage players and tricks from every era of yo-yoing's history with zero adjustment.

i've got almost 50 no jives, and about 10 that i play really regularly. i'm pretty sure no two are set up alike.

[attybud]

Many thanks for that fine explanation, Ed. 

Now go clean yourself - and mop up that barf. 

(kidding - much respect to you my friend!)