TK No Jive help.

[youthman]

So I've got my first TK, a No Jive, and seems like I need some advices..

I'm using a 50/50 string at the moment, is it a 100% cotton string really needed ? If yes, what tipe ?

I've done two loops around the axle right now, but it's not really responsive. Sometimes it doesn't return very well. Why ?

Probably my expectations were too high, but it is normal that it has a noticeable wobble and very short spin times ?

Thanks in advance for the help.

[ohjeahyoyo]

So I've got my first TK, a No Jive, and seems like I need some advices..

I'm using a 50/50 string at the moment, is it a 100% cotton string really needed ? If yes, what tipe ?

I've done two loops around the axle right now, but it's not really responsive. Sometimes it doesn't return very well. Why ?

Probably my expectations were too high, but it is normal that it has a noticeable wobble and very short spin times ?

Thanks in advance for the help.

String with poly (50/50) in it can melt from the heat produced from axle friction, but cotton strings break too so the type is really up to you. I think the standard for fixed axle play is cotton. I use type 8 on my no jives.

I find that the amount of response has more to do with string tension than anything else. Tight tension= responsive.  No tension=no response. Some people play with dead pads in their no jives.

Wobble can be tuned out in some cases, but wood is not the most forgiving material to make yoyos from due to its impurities. There really is nothing like the hum of a no jive though.

Short spin times are what you get with a wooden axle. No way around that.

Hope this helps.

[youthman]

Thanks, it was really helpfull. 

If anyone else would like to share his experiences with the No Jive would be great!

[Izzy]

That used to happen to me all the time.  Try opening up the yoyo and put a TK linen disc or a dead duncan friction sticker in it.  Just one, the cloth on the sticker increases the friction and helps the yoyo return.  I am usually able to tune out excessive wobble by putting a yyf hub stack oring on the metal axle to one side then assembling the yoyo like normal.  If that doesn't help try turning the hex nuts one a time and reassemble then throw.  As for the spin times, I can get 10-15 seconds at a time on a good throw.  That is about it, now you know why the tricks that Ed and others are able to accomplish is so impressive.  Good Luck!

[youthman]

Thank you very much man!
Do you think that a brand new friction sticker would be dangerous for the yoyo ?
We're homonymous btw 

[Crow]

You'll find that fixed axles are a whole different ball of wax. 

I use standard Type 8 cotton string on my No-Jives.

With a new axle, the yo-yo should easily return to the hand as long as the string isn't wound too loose.

A standard No-Jive gap should be about the same width as a popsicle stick. Maybe a tad larger. A much larger gap could theoretically cause a response problem.

Axles can become "burnished" over time, causing response issues. A quick rub with high grit sandpaper will often return the axle back to top form.

Wooden yo-yos have wobble. Some are better than others in this respect. For the most part, you just get used to the wobble over time. Rotate one yo-yo half 1/6 of a turn at a time, until you achieve the least amount of wobble.

Screwing the yo-yo together too tightly can warp the wood axle sleeve.

For a much better understanding of the No-Jive, and fixed axles in general, read Bill Alton's The Noble Disk:

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B1XG6o4feoaxMDE3NGJiODUtZGE4Ni00NTA1LTgzMmUtMjRkNzA0ZDEyYjFm&hl=en

[youthman]

Thanks Crow!

Indeed I'm pretty new to the fixed axle world. Waiting for the No Jive I've throwed my Psychedelic Butterfly, but finally I can learn better on the No Jive I guess..

I'll read "The Noble Disk" for sure.

[ed]

all of the above advice is right on.
same time, the only way to understand a wooden yo-yo is to throw one. a lot.
keep rocking it!

[sicyo]

Strangely enough I've been using slick 6 on mine without any problems, single looped. I guess it depends on the yo-yo?

But yes, I agree with all of the advice previously provided in this thread.

[youthman]

Strangely I'm still playing with slick 6 and now is much more responsive 

Still one loop around the axle and without the friction sticker, so I dunno, maybe the wooden axle need some sort of "break it in" period ?

I've already tried a 100% cotton type 8 string, but oddly the yoyo is less responsive with that kind of string..

Anyway, I've tried the butterfly shape, and I could ask you if it is normal that the gap is much more small (less wide) and doesn't look completely "straight" ?

[BosK]

Still one loop around the axle and without the friction sticker, so I dunno, maybe the wooden axle need some sort of "break it in" period ?

A little wax will help......

[sicyo]

I noticed the difference between slick 6 and 100% cotton type 8 as well. I had a slick 6 break on my no jive about a week ago and thought "OH NO MUST BE THE STRING" and put some 100% 8 on it instead. First thing I realized was the difference in response.

[ed]

@youthman... some 3in1's have different 'well' depths, resulting in weird gaps. i have a few no jives that have crooked gaps in butterfly. generally, i've been able to 'bend' those gaps back in line - but be advised, it's really ridiculously easy to ruin your yo-yo by being to forceful with that. but yeah a crooked gap will definitely cause a vibe.

while thread type and material exerts an influence over response, string tension exerts much more. i tend to have to do some sidewinders to find the sweet spot when i put on a brand new string. after it breaks in, it doesn't matter so much.

[youthman]

@youthman... some 3in1's have different 'well' depths, resulting in weird gaps. i have a few no jives that have crooked gaps in butterfly. generally, i've been able to 'bend' those gaps back in line - but be advised, it's really ridiculously easy to ruin your yo-yo by being to forceful with that. but yeah a crooked gap will definitely cause a vibe.

while thread type and material exerts an influence over response, string tension exerts much more. i tend to have to do some sidewinders to find the sweet spot when i put on a brand new string. after it breaks in, it doesn't matter so much.

Thanks for the informations Ed!

Actually I don't care very much for the super small gap and the vibe..I'm in the "wood world" just from a few weeks, so it's already fun with this No Jive. But knowing that I'll buy for sure some more TK's in the future, I'm not worried at all 

And yes I've noticed recently that string tension is very very important, but I like to do Sidewinders and UFO's so it's all good!