Responsive > Unresponsive

[Wilba]

what is a flyaway dismount?

[Sottle]

what is a flyaway dismount?

And this, ladies and gentleman is proof that response is dead

[hempo]

I do think when you're a rookie (read: playing for a couple of months) at yoyoing its so more easy to learn new tricks because it wont snag. I have and old exodus with sanded down starbust and cleaned bearing. It provides me with low response (when its not freezing cold) and loooose binds, but i'd rather have that than something very responsive because it makes it easier to learn new tricks.

[Nuke]

I mainly play my unresponsive metals but it is a blast to pick up my mosquito or squirrel periodically and see how much of the newer style tricks I can do on them.  It provides me with a good way to chart my improvements.

[iceblink_]

what is a flyaway dismount?

And this, ladies and gentleman is proof that response is dead

lol, that's sig worthy.

[pablopenguin24]

I play responsive on and off; there are just so many unresponsive yoyos out there.

completely
stock and modded fhz's ftw!

[dbfast201]

I did a search for a thread like this after another round of really fun throws with my Fast 201, Flying Squirrel and One. I've only been throwing again for a couple of months, after yo-yoing as a kid in the late '70s/early '80s, but at this point I can imagine just staying with responsive exclusively.  Maybe I associate responsive with my childhood memories.

All I really do, for the most part, is breakaways, trapezes, around the worlds (side mount, mostly), and a few other beginner-level tricks. At the moment I'll be thrilled when I can do the braintwister consistently.

Any updated thoughts on this topic?

[Tourqe]

I switch between the two, responsive play keeps me honest. I figure that you could be the best unresponsive yoyoer on the planet, but if you dont ever go back to the simplicity of responsive play you don't have much on anyone else. Responsive play keeps yoyoing fun and real in my mind.

[Faust]

I go half and half.

I love playing unresponsive, but I also love responsive throws. Mainly because I'm just lazy - why bind when a simple tug of the wrist will do..? It doesn't hurt that Flyaway Dismounts are so freakin' cool either.

Seriously though, I love and appreciate both. Mainly a stock FH2 for responsive, and a Speeder for unresponsive. Both have their charms.

[ShadrCom3t]

Most of my favorite tricks are whips, wraps, and hops. I do like responsive SOMETIMES, but often the yoyo snags/causes knuckle cracks. Fun though. I loved having an FH2 around. I do responsive with my Split D from time to time.

[nobody]

I don't even have responsive yoyos besides loop 900's, they suck for 1a but I can do any thing except lacerations and suicides on them.

[rizki_yoist]

wa ts so great abot responsive play?

I will turn the question into "what's so great about unresponsive play?"
Knowing the fact early yoyos are all responsive, if there was no responsive yoyos, there will be no yoyoing at all...

what is a flyaway dismount?

Because no one answered, I'll explain...
it's like when you do trapeze then pop up high, allowing the string to roll and catch the yoyo

I think every beginner yoyos have sort of picture tutorials in the box showing this kind of dismount and honestly I didn't know what is it called up to now. The sad thing is, nowadays people started yoyoing by using unresponsive 

[ShadrCom3t]

The sad thing is, nowadays people started yoyoing by using unresponsive  

THIS. My friends and club members keep starting with unresponsive yoyos.  
DO NOT START YOYOING WITH UNRESPONSIVE. It's easier to start with responsive TBH. Binding is impossible if you can't do a braintwister.

and I think a sky bind makes up for the fly away dismount.

[rizki_yoist]

wow I just realized this is an old thread

[Faust]

^^ And as relevant today as it ever was.

I always learnt Flyaway Dismounts as Trapeze, somersault and then pop and return as the somersault comes round.

[Elephark]

^^ And as relevant today as it ever was.

Not very?

This has been an unnecessary bone of contention ever since unresponsive play started spreading. Fact is, neither responsive nor unresponsive is inherently better. Sure, binding has a learning curve early on, but responsive play has its own learning curve too. And for a lot of what people do nowadays, knowing how to throw responsive is—face it—a superfluous skill. A nerfed dead-end class you don't use once you get out of the first couple of dungeons.

There's a lot of math we don't teach much of in modern elementary and middle schools that was taught and used often a century ago. For instance, compound arithmetic for use in dealing with myriad units of measure that are now outmoded in favor of our current standards. What do the kids spend their time learning if not this now-largely-useless skill? More advanced stuff sooner. And if they desire to go back and learn it, knowing advanced math hardly puts them at a disadvantage.

I think it's a good idea to expose new yoyoers to both responsive and unresponsive play and let them play how they will. Why shouldn't they put their early levels into unresponsive if that's how they want to play anyway?

[finbie]

There's a lot of math we don't teach much of in modern elementary and middle schools that was taught and used often a century ago. For instance, compound arithmetic for use in dealing with myriad units of measure that are now outmoded in favor of our current standards. What do the kids spend their time learning if not this now-largely-useless skill? More advanced stuff sooner. And if they desire to go back and learn it, knowing advanced math hardly puts them at a disadvantage.

QFT.

People tend to get conservative in matters like this. If they learned something the hard way they think it's the best way for everyone else to learn it too.

That being said I believe a big percentage of new yoyoers still first learn responsive, because that is what Andre Boulay says in his videos.

[ed]

as someone who plays responsive pretty much exclusively, i would just like to say that > signs are dum.

for a miniscule tribe-within-a-tribe (tribeception), response will always be the jam. it's not because of some trumped up 'that's how i learned, so that's how you should learn' mentality, either. it's just more satisfying to us. getting through a tangled fixed-axle combo that might snag anywhere feels like lando & nien nunb running the millenium falcon out of an exploding death star, or gerry lopez soul-arching out of collapsing pipeline. with responsive yo-yoing, the question is 'can i fight my way out of this scrape?', whereas with unresponsive, it's more 'can i find my way out of this jungle?'... the appeal is different, but not better. the idea that playing responsive has some sort of cache or value that unresponsive lacks is absurd. one can make either style meaningful (or terrible).

in terms of whether it's good for fundamentals, i think it's good to experience as many facets of yo-yoing as you can until you refine the approach that means the most to you. it's valuable to me to know what's required to do kamikaze on wood, but that skill couldn't be less relevant to most yo-yoers. i think response can teach some habits that could be interpreted as fluid or stylish, but looking at players like guy, it's not as though those things are endemic to learning responsive.

good yo-yoing is yo-yoing that explores and challenges itself. that's as true with a supernova as it is with a cherry bomb.

[ExAzrael]

I love Ed.  

To add something else in, I think rule 49 (also got 50 on the picture and it is also relevant) of ed's 66 rules for yoyo players should be posted here:  

[Mimagic]

I dont always get concussions,
but when I do..
Im playing responsive.