what? a 2a question?? no kidding!

[Sideshowbob]

i currently got down my cow milking skillz. trying to see if i can get vertical punches by then end of the year. im having trouble. i currently dont know consciencely the correct form for vertical punches. i'm thinking lets do the same form as hop the fence (shawns guide form) and with the timing of shoot the moon. i just can't find it at all. my yoyo wont flip first punch no matter what throw i start with. if i do find the groove i can't hold it very long my yoyos tilts left and its gone. at worlds i could do it so effortlessly with one of pat's raiders hitting 40 reps. iono if its becuase that i use relics and they feel like a ton of bricks or if my form or timing is wrong. i dont want to practice it anymore  seeing how it could end up as a bad habbit that only hurts me in the long run. shawn or pat care to try with a relic to raider and see any difference in your form?