Help with binds...

[Jason Paul]

I'm new at this. I'm just starting to get consistent with the trapeze and feel about ready to get into a few other things. However, I think I need a little less response for this, so I figured I need to learn how to bind.

Yes, I've watched Houdini's video. It's good and I think I've got the idea of the basic bind (from a trapeze). But I'm running into problems.

Basically, every time I try the basic bind, I end up with 1"-2" loops of string hanging out of the yoyo. Is this normal? Also, it often just snags up and quickly wobbles out of play. This of course is the bigger problem.

What am I doing wrong? Do I need even less response for this? The response is currently set so that a tug generally doesn't bring it back to hand. A tug works from a straight sleeper maybe 10-20% of the time.

BTW, I'm using a Kickside for this.

Thanks,
Jason

[Pat_Cuartero]

Hey Jason Paul....did you see this thread?

http://www.yoyonation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=183

[Jason Paul]

Yes I did, but it doesn't really answer my questions. It just seems to be everyone saying where they learned to bind. I've watched Houdini's video several times and have the gist of it.

My questions are more specific though.

1) Is it normal to end up with bits of looped string hanging out of the yoyo? If not, how do I stop it from happening?

2) How do I keep an attempted bind from becoming a snagged, knotted mess? Do I need even less response?

Thanks,
Jason

[Pat_Cuartero]

Ahhh...okay let me try this one guys hahaha

1) Is it normal to end up with bits of looped string hanging out of the yoyo? If not, how do I stop it from happening?

When you do the bind, make sure you pull your "binding hand" (non-throwhand) away from the yoyo AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN TO THE YOYO.  Takes timing practice...OR....(read #2)

2) How do I keep an attempted bind from becoming a snagged, knotted mess? Do I need even less response?

I find that when you bind with a more responsive yoyo, start off with a smaller "loop" (the double strings) to bind....(reverse mount or mount the yoyo closer to your non throwhand finger.

Also - I find that backspin binds work better for creating a "non" tangled mess...

Haha i may have not made sense...i haven't really slept.  ...

[BlatantAl]

Good work Pat. I had this problem aswell. All solved when I got a less responsive yoyo with a bigger gap.

[Jason Paul]

OK thanks.

I found out on my own after posting last night that I have better luck with the basic bind from a trapeze if I make my bind loop pretty close to the yoyo.

I'll try pulling away like you've explained too, Pat - and I'll watch the video again for the backspin bind.

I may also try opening the gap a bit as well.

Thanks,
Jason

[jojoyam]

Backspin bind is the way to go, never do "normal bind"s after I learned the backspin one. Try to learn the "Dave bind" which is a nice variation on the backspin bind also.  

[MagL33To]

"normal" binds suck, use backspin.

edit: the site is working at my house again now Pat, have you changed anything in the last couple of days?

[clocKwize]

i only do the normal bind and i can't do that particularly well (sometimes it doesn't work ) - guess i'll learn that one tomorrow

[Sideshowbob]

for your question do you need to bind? i say no your not there yet. keep it responsive. switching this early makes you sloppy and inconsistent since your giving yourself to much leway. i didn't learn the bind until i learned about 3/4 of all the string trick illistrations on sector y. it can be done so no complaining allowd. at least to don't complain to me

[Pat_Cuartero]

"normal" binds suck, use backspin.

edit: the site is working at my house again now Pat, have you changed anything in the last couple of days?

Nope?

hahaha

weird  

[..Ash..]

for your question do you need to bind? i say no your not there yet. keep it responsive. switching this early makes you sloppy and inconsistent since your giving yourself to much leway. i didn't learn the bind until i learned about 3/4 of all the string trick illistrations on sector y. it can be done so no complaining allowd. at least to don't complain to me

That's the issue with most of the new players (including me when I just started).
Though Yo-Chi (our french yoyo guru ) told us there's no need of binding and unresponsiveness if you just can handle a double or nothing and that more than the yoyo, the skill is more important, we just couldn't trust him by 100%.

A beginner isn't able to manage the spin correctly. So to keep the yoyo spinning longer and feel more comfortable, the idea that come to him is naturally to make the yoyo unresponsive.

I was lucky the first player I owned was a fhz and I didn't clean the bearing (I wanted to break in the bearing). So I had many fun with that responsive yoyo.

I can do most of the tricks I know with a responsive player but tricks with loose string I'm doing lately need unresponsiveness.
Now that I'm used to bind, I feel like binding is a constraint because it's not what everyone have in mind when you say "yoyo". I begin to understand what advanced players told me when I started yoyoing.
But it can't be helped, things have to evolve.
That's what I think.

So Jason, keep your yoyo responsive as long as you can! I didn't keep mine responsive very long and I regret it now

And yeah, backspin bind is better!

..Ash..

[caribouchris]

I have no issue with normal bind returns...as long as my string isn't all twisted up and my yoyo is set up well (who wants to yo with a twisted string anyways?).  I used to though about 5-10% of the time get a tangled mess when I was learning...so many near misses.  But now it's not really a problem...I'm trying to learn the backspin bind right now because of this thread, but I find it awkward to rethrow the yoyo after the bind (practice...I know).  

I have had people ask me "hey what's that trick you just did"..."oh that...that's not a trick...that's just how i get it to come back."

What I do is have a medium sized loop then as I start to bind I close the loop up by kind of rolling the yoyo up the loop around my finger...like a spiralgraph.  Most of the spiral motion all comes from my throw hand.

You just have to find a response system and string that works for you.

I'm no pro though...

[Jason Paul]

Thanks for the replies so far, and I appreciate the advice to hold off on learning binds for now. So, I have set my KS back to a more responsive setting - although it's still taking a few tugs to pull it back.

I'm a proponent for learning good technique in the beginning rather than progressing the easy way, so I will play more responsively for a while.

I just have to learn how to keep it from smacking me in the knuckles.  

Is there a secret to keeping a responsive yoyo from accidentally binding and smacking back? I assume this is where learning good technique comes in, but I don't have anyone to show me what that good technique looks like.

Any comments or pointers to what to search for in the forum would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jason

[BlatantAl]

yeah dude, Its all technique.

I LOOOOVE my yoyos to be TOTALLY dead and unresponsive but after seeing Sottle's videos of spirit bomb and rancid milk on a stock FAST 201, I've begun to play with a couple of responsive yoyos just to try and get my play a lot smoother.

It teaches you good dexterity

[..Ash..]

Rancid milk with a stock fast 201... Just wow!

..Ash..