Question...

[yoyochucker]

Ok im probably going to take a beating for saying this but here it goes.

Did CLYW move to Japan? because lately... their yoyo prices seem like they are coming from Japan.

$150, $175, $200 etc.

Just an observation.

(Yes i know they didnt move to Japan)

[vegabomb]

Scalpers. It's the scalpers.

The owner of CLYW decided that he'd had enough of people selling his yo-yos for higher than their original retail price. So now if you want one... you'll pay the scalpers price.

Snagged dem scalpers...

Wait... so now they are all sold at scalpers prices... by the maker?

Sorry but I've been holding this in since I saw the price hike and the reasoning behind it.

I'm not a buyer.

[StillinKansasCity]

I dunno, I've had a Chief for a couple maybe three weeks now and to be honest, I haven't been blown away. Call me crazy, but for that money, I should have been enlarging my pool of Japanese yoyos. That's just me.

[slowmoyoyo308]

I remember when their yoyos used to be $90.
Now it's all about the money

[Yo-duh]

So what happens when the scalpers start selling these at $300+?
Will CLYW up their prices accordingly?

[Acavando]

So what happens when the scalpers start selling these at $300+?
Will CLYW up their prices accordingly?

I dont know.. dont think they'd be that extreme.. But things are a changin'

[wolfman]

The new throws do look great, fancy laser work and all, but 175$ does seem a bit steep.

[oldyoyoguy]

The owner of CLYW decided that he'd had enough of people selling his yo-yos for higher than their original retail price. So now if you want one... you'll pay the scalpers price.

I guess the flip side to this is the possibility of counterfeits, similar to what is happening with YYR right now.  The price gets high enough, counterfeiters can get a decent return.

[rizki_yoist]

If we don't like the price, don't buy it... it's actually that simple.
The thing is, people are still wanting them, so unless we stop asking for them these scalpers will keep the price that way.
Ever since the price hike I have lose my interest to any CLYWs and some other hyped-up-based manufacturer, I'm sorry for saying these but really, for $200 I prefer buying a PSP or something than a yoyo, no matter how good it is.
Come on, there are many great yoyos out there you haven't tried yet. A $60 yoyo from smaller "unfamous" companies might blow your mind...

[Steve Brown™]

Chris keeps his runs low, his colorways per run even lower, and uses the extra markup to support his team.

For some reason, we've become a culture that looks at price first and ignores almost everything else. This is not someone sitting and petting their tiny giraffe while burning your money and cackling...this is one guy in Canada who assembles everything himself at his dining room table, uses this business to COMPLETELY support himself, and uses every extra bit that he has to support his team.

If anyone wants to complain about that, then you clearly have no idea what it means to run a business....and especially one that is a labor of love.

[yomorrow]

Some people are diehard CLYW fans. They will keep buying them, regardless of price hikes. That's their prerogative, but I don't necessarily understand it.

Personally, I'm glad as hell to be a One Drop lover. They make awesome yoyos and sell them reasonably cheap. Plus, their new releases keep getting better.

Anyway, it is a good time for yoyoing. There are plenty of makers out there to support, and to each his own or to each his own top five or whatever.

As far as Canadian "return tops" go, you can keep your CLYW. I'll buy SPYY if anything at all from Canada. SPYY rocks! And their stuff isn't any more expensive than average.

[StillinKansasCity]

Chris keeps his runs low, his colorways per run even lower, and uses the extra markup to support his team.

For some reason, we've become a culture that looks at price first and ignores almost everything else. This is not someone sitting and petting their tiny giraffe while burning your money and cackling...this is one guy in Canada who assembles everything himself at his dining room table, uses this business to COMPLETELY support himself, and uses every extra bit that he has to support his team.

If anyone wants to complain about that, then you clearly have no idea what it means to run a business....and especially one that is a labor of love.

Most of the manufacturers support themselves and their team with profit from sales. I guess I'm not sure what else sets CLYW apart. I get that he doesn't machine his own yoyos, but initially, that would save him money where as some other manufacturers own their own means of production which require huge bank loans and credit to operate. Chris avoids that frustration and cost, and yet, charges more than brands who are swallowing monthly mortgages while also supporting themselves, their families, and their team. Everyone is in this labor of love. Your point is not unique to CLYW.

[Elephark]

The vast majority of boutique yoyo manufacturers do it as a hobby and have day jobs. The ones that don't are the exception.

[kevin-b9]

i understand the price raise, they are collectables etc, unfortunatly i cant pay that price so now im looking into other manufacturers like one drop and c3

[yoyochucker]

Chris keeps his runs low, his colorways per run even lower, and uses the extra markup to support his team.

For some reason, we've become a culture that looks at price first and ignores almost everything else. This is not someone sitting and petting their tiny giraffe while burning your money and cackling...this is one guy in Canada who assembles everything himself at his dining room table, uses this business to COMPLETELY support himself, and uses every extra bit that he has to support his team.

If anyone wants to complain about that, then you clearly have no idea what it means to run a business....and especially one that is a labor of love.

All hes going to do is drive customers away with that business model.. as you can see hes had canvases on his site for DAYS now and no one is buying them... that should be a huge hint your charging too much.

You cannot base your retail business prices on what your product gets scalped for. If you Limit your runs and colorways your creating the aftermarket demand for your product. thing is very few people will pay that scalper price.... your average player will not. So basically your screwing the average player by raising your prices because of scalpers (If this is the real reason prices have went up) and its a dead end road soon your yoyos will only be availble to a .... you know what nevermind its not worth it. the only reason i ----- about it is because i like the product and i now cannot afford it plain and simple. So keep your prices at a point where only people with more money than sense can afford them and lets see where your business ends up.

Good Luck to ya.

[wolfman]

The owner of CLYW decided that he'd had enough of people selling his yo-yos for higher than their original retail price. So now if you want one... you'll pay the scalpers price.

I can't recall a time when Vegabomb has provided false info, but this reasoning seems a bit much.  Is this really what the nice people over at CLYW are thinking?

This seems like the kind of logic people come up with at 3:30am after a night of drinking.  "There’s been a number of burglaries in my neighborhood... I know, I'll sneak into everyone's houses take all their stuff... AND THEN, when the burglars show up there'll be nothing left to steal! That'll teach 'em."

I guess, what I am left wondering is the intent was behind the price increase.  Is CLYW simply matching the prices that scalpers have proven are viable, or are they trying to cut the scalpers out of the market by increasing their price to the upper limits of what a person will pay for a yoyo?

[slowmoyoyo308]

Super rare Canvas. Only 10 made in the werld!!!!!
Has 20 dings and scuffs but still plays smooth.
$350  

I really don't think that will stop scalpers  

now im looking into other manufacturers like one drop

[vegabomb]

The owner of CLYW decided that he'd had enough of people selling his yo-yos for higher than their original retail price. So now if you want one... you'll pay the scalpers price.

I can't recall a time when Vegabomb has provided false info, but this reasoning seems a bit much.  Is this really what the nice people over at CLYW are thinking?

Regarding the sale of the Canvas on their site:

If we priced it at $115, they would have sold out in an hour.  Then eventually they would have resold for more.  That right there is a sign that prices needed to go up.  It's unfortunate, but it is reality. People have made so much money off of us on the Peak ... so some changes had to be made.   The first Canvases to go were the ones that were priced the highest.  We sold 80 in the first hour and currently have 12 left out of about 140.  So to me that's a sign that the pricing was fare.

I read something similar somewhere else but I can't find it at the moment.

[ShaunC]

Their prices caused me to not buy their stuff. I have the money, but wont pay for this kind of reasoning. There are plenty of other less expensive, high quality yoyos  out there. The multiple, low number colorway schtick is getting ridiculous.

[yoey]

I was able to get a Gnarwhal and Avalanche and Sasquatch from stores without having to pay ~double. All that they've done is replace the greedy scalpers with greedy manufacturers, but at least before I could still get a yoyo at a reasonable price.

Now Heath at Vssnyc wants to do the same. Pfft. No thanks. While I realize that there are still suckers who will and do buy at these ridiculously greedy prices, I won't be one them.

If the problem really was scalpers, a few lines of code to limit purchases to one per person would go a long way without alienating the consumer. I've seen Canvases and Chiefs selling for more than the already crazy markups, so nothing was really fixed anyway.